Trinity so loved the world

God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son.

Still Trinitarians claim that they believe this... but in actuality they have to read it like this... For the Trinity so loved the world that it gave us a third of themselves.

Or "God the trinity loved the world so much that two of the members pretended to be a father and son, and this pretender father pretended that he gave this pretender son to the world, that if we believe these pretenders we would have eternal life". Imagine we are being told to believe pretenders. My bible calls this a "cunningly devised fable"

That's the Trinitarian gospel. And these trinitarians want us to believe in this God which is in actuality 3 Gods but yet 1 God 3 pretenders, manifestations, liars or whatever other versions of this office of persons is.

I personally like John 3:16 just the way it is. And praise God that we have a true "unity of the faith and knowledge of the son of God"[Eph 4:13]

Ellen White and Godhead.

 Who was the first, second, and third highest being in heaven before the fall?


“The Son of God was next in authority to the great Lawgiver. He knew that His life alone could be sufficient to ransom fallen man.” (Ellen White, Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, page 9, also in Lift Him Up, page 24) 


“Satan’s position in heaven had been next to the Son of God. He was first among the angels.” (Ellen White, Selected Messages, book 1, page 341)


Please note that Christ was next in authority behind his father.  The third highest being was none other than Satan himself. 


“Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God’s dear Son.” {The Story of Redemption, p.15}


“Satan, the chief of the fallen angels, once had an exalted position in Heaven. He was next in honor to Christ.” (Ellen White, Review & Herald, February 24, 1874) 


“Speaking of Satan, our Lord says that “he abode not in the truth.” He was once the covering cherub, glorious in beauty and holiness. He was next to Christ in exaltation and character. It was with Satan that self-exaltation had its origin. He became jealous of Christ, and falsely accused him, and then laid blame upon the Father. He was envious of the position that was held by Christ and the Father, and he turned from his allegiance to the Commander of heaven and lost his high and holy estate.” (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 22, 1895) 


Note:  Christ and the father are the highest beings in heaven.  Satan wanted to be like God.  He wasn’t envious of a Holy Spirit being.  He wanted to be part of a trinity of beings.  He became jealous of the son of God.  Now on this planet he has declared there is a trinity of beings to be worshipped.  When the father and son alone are to be exalted.  He has created a false God.

If the trinity is true

If the trinity is true, Then Christ was a co-eternal being who took the role of the son. While another being pretended to be the son.

"In order to eradicate sin and rebellion from the universe and to restore harmony and peace, one of the divine Beings accepted, and entered into, the role of the Father, another the role of the Son. The remaining divine Being, the Holy Spirit,... By accepting the roles that the plan entailed, the divine Beings lost none of the powers of Deity.... The divine Beings entered into the roles they had agreed upon before the foundations of the world were laid." (The Week of Prayer issue of the Adventist Review, October 31, 1996)

Who gave his son?

If Jesus was not actually God's Son, then what sacrifice did the Father make? Whom did He give? Another God? A friend? A colleague? This does not demonstrate love on the Father's part, but rather selfishness, in sending another, rather than coming Himself! Yet the whole point of John 3:16 is the love of God (the Father)."God so loved the world ..." If we embrace the idea of three Gods in one, or one God in three (the trinity), then which one are we talking about here? All three? Or only the Father? "God so loved ... that He gave His ... Son..." Did the Father give His Son? Did the Holy Spirit give His Son? Did the Son give His Son? These questions are ridiculous, and yet, they need to be asked in order that we may clearly see what the text is saying. God is the Father. It is He who gave His Son. It is He who had a Son to give. The Son is not the God who gave His Son, neither is the Holy Spirit that God. The focus of this text is the love of God; but we must understand that this refers specifically to the Father. It is His love which is being emphasized here. It is He who is God. (1 Cor. 8:6)

Spirit is Presence

"For it is the presence, power, life and character of God and His Son"

Explanation:

HOLY SPIRIT IS PRESENCE OF GOD AND SON

 Psalms 51:11 "Cast me not away from thy PRESENCE; and take not thy holy spirit from me."

Psalms 139:7  "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy PRESENCE?"

Romans 8:9-11  "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness. But if the SPIRIT OF HIM (GOD) that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT that dwelleth in you."

By the Spirit (their presence) is Jesus and God the Father abiding in us. But there is no mention of a third being abiding in us! The Spirit (power, mind, presence) of God is not limited to being stuck with Him. Paul says in 1 Cor. 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the SPIRIT OF MAN WHICH IS IN HIM? EVEN SO the things of God knoweth no man, but the SPIRIT OF GOD."<- (no mention of it being limited to being only in GOD) But Paul makes a parallel comparison of both by saying "EVEN SO" or "just like". Paul can make this comparison because he knows that we are made in the image of God.

HOLY SPIRIT IS POWER OF GOD AND SON

Luke 4:14 "And Jesus returned in the POWER OF THE SPIRIT into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about."

Romans 15:19 "Through mighty signs and wonders, by the POWER OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ."

The Roman Catholic Inquisition

E. B. said:
In my bible it says that we are to preach the gospel. It doesn't say that we are to preach our opinions about different churches and the people that go to those churches.

G. C. said:
The Word Cult is'nt in the Bible because Christians back then were in Unity (catholic) Then we ended up with a bunch of Crack pots and all founded in America !

God the Holy Spirit!

It is ultimately our own decision if we want to focus and promote what is not in scripture. I have never read of any disciples or apostles doing the things that we do in churches today regarding the Holy Spirit! They never prayed to IT, they never worshipped IT, they never honoured IT, and they never say that IT shares or is part of the Throne of Father and the Lamb.

If the bible is silent regarding performing these things that are sooooo common in a Christians life today... then these actions must be the traditions and doctrines of men!

Do I believe in God the Holy Spirit... no I do not!

Do I believe in God's Holy Spirit... yes I do! For it is the presence, power, life and character of God and His Son!

"That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:3

What I think of Jesus Christ

"But if I am asked what I think of Jesus Christ, my reply is, I believe all that the Scriptures say of him. If the testimony represents him as being in glory with the Father before the world was, I believe it. If it is said that he was in the beginning with God, that he was God, that all things were made by him and for him, and that without him was not anything made that was made, I believe it. If the Scriptures say he is the Son of God, I believe it. If it is declared that the Father sent his Son into the world, I believe he had a Son to send. … Children inherit the name of their father. The Son of God “hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than” the angels” (R. F. Cottrell, The Review & Herald, June 1 1869, emphasis in the original).

Did the Jews kill Jesus?

The general assumption accepted through the centuries by Muslims is that God loved His prophet so much that just before the crucifixion, He lifted up Jesus into heaven and allowed someone else made to resemble Him to be crucified in His place.

The key passage from the Qur'an upon which this assumption is based states: "And because of [the Jews'] disbelief and because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, Allah's messenger--They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise" (Surah 4, Al-Nisa, 156-158).

The Comforter

John 15:26

Some quote John 15:26 and claim that the ‘comforter’ is Muhammad. Let’s read few parallel verse and we can see who this ‘comforter’ is.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

You see, the comforter is Spirit, which proceedeth from the Father (Allah). Muhammad not a ‘Spirit’ proceedeth from Allah.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Muhammad not ‘abide’ in us

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

We know and saw Muhammad and he did not ‘dwelleth’ in us neither he is in us.

Joh 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Again, Muhammad is not a Holy Ghost but human beings.

Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Not Muhammad neither Gabriel who deliver the Quran to Muhammad ‘appeared unto us cloven tongues like as of fire’. And I never read or heard a Muslim filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

So, obviously the ‘Comforter’ which is the Bible talking about is not Muhammad.